Wednesday 10 April 2013

It began as an idea...

We are a Singaporean couple starting our journey in migrating to New Zealand. During our research into New Zealand, we wanted to find out more about the new place from a Singaporean perspective.

We were seeking out personnel accords of Singaporeans living (not holidaying) in NZ. Unfortunately information in such area was lacking. A vast amount of information we found tend to be from an European/American perspective. Plenty of blogs detailing personal experiences of Singaporeans living in Australia came up (It seems like everyone is migrating to Australia nowadays). Close but no Cigar.

I'm Mr Fatty. She's Ms Shortie. We are starting this blog to document our journey from SG to NZ. Hopefully it'll capture our state of mind and it's something that we can look back and reminisce about in the future. Maybe it'll help some other Singaporeans hoping to make the move to NZ too.

Our Story

It started out as an idea... sometime in 2010, we came across an article in The Straits Times about  New Zealand government inviting Singaporeans to migrate. The article came with pictures of NZ famed scenery. Mountains, Lakes, Glaciers, Cows you name it, they have it. The article gave plenty of reasons to migrate: Cheaper housing, car, relaxed life style, fresh air, blue sky, etc etc etc.... Basically it's a slacker's paradise. At first we didn't think much about it. Our initial thought was its just propaganda, no country is perfect. Besides what do we have to offer NZ? We are a young couple just started joining the workforce a year ago. No money. No work experience. Why would they invite us? Nevertheless, there was a website by Immigration NZ where we signed up to express our interest and receive their monthly newsletter.

I'm not sure exactly what happened next. It could have been all the monthly newsletter plastered with magnificent views of NZ. It could have been the boredom that has been creeping up to us after a few years in SG workforce. It could have been the rising cost of living, the influx of foreign talents into our homeland. It could have simply been the hunger for a new adventure. Or perhaps it was because it has always been Ms Shortie's dream to live overseas. We don't know. It could have been all of them.

Whatever it was, the idea grew within us and we decided to find out more about what NZ has to offer. We scouted the internet for personal accords of migrants in NZ. We looked at NZ culture. We read on NZ job market and economy (Just being Singaporean here. Kiasu. Wait go there no job how?).

Sometime in late 2011, we came across a company, Immagine New Zealand that conducts free seminars for people who are interested in moving to NZ. Every couple of months, these immigration consultants would fly into Singapore and conduct a seminar on what NZ has to offer. What are the pros and cons as well as the possible pathways to migrating to NZ. If anyone is thinking of making the move, I strongly encourage you to attend the seminar. (It's free. Cheap cheap cheap. But just attend once would do, it's basically re-runs of the same stuff.) We were rather kiasu and went for 3 seminars (listening to the same stuff over and over again) before deciding that we should pay S$180 for a personalized 1 hour session with one of the consultants from Immagine NZ. Prior to that session we had already done substantial research on the immigration process so that session was basically for us to confirm our understanding of the process as well as to find out some stuff which we couldn't find an answer for on the internet. I must say that the immigration procedures are really complicated and despite our thorough research, a few assumptions we made were wrong. These were pointed out during the session. However, by and large we did manage to nail the majority of the application process on our own.

Thus, we started giving more thoughts about making the move. We contemplated NZ, Australia, US, Amsterdam, UK, Canada etc etc. We figured that all these places have their pros and cons and we were largely fine with migrating to either of these countries. At this point it was sometime in 2012. We had been in the workforce for quite a number of years. We were both considered successful professionals in our careers. Unlike our fresh grad years, at this point there is quite an amount of risk involved. We are risking our careers. We are leaving behind our social security net. Can we find a job there? Can we fit into the culture? Lots of questions, plenty of uncertainties, zero answers. End of the day, it boils down to a bread and butter issue. Where can we find a career (not a job)? So our plan was to submit our resumes to companies in our list of short-listed countries. Whichever offers us a job that we are comfortable with, we'll just go ahead with that country. (Think of it as a short-gun method). Sounds like a crazy plan? Maybe it is. We understand how difficult it is to find a job overseas when you are not physically in that country. People have been telling me it's next to impossible. How many employers would be willing to employ someone whom they have not interviewed in person? How many would wait for an employee to travel down the long-drawn path of visa application without any certainty that the visa would be granted? Faced with these challenges and unfavourable conditions, my plan: Just do it.

Fast forward to today. After submitting about 20 resumes, Mr Fatty managed to secure 2 job offers. He decided to go ahead with the one in New Zealand. At this point we were pretty familiar with the entire visa application process that we decided to go ahead and submit the application on our own. Engaging an immigration consultant is just going to cost us additional $$$ which we don't have. Took us about a month to gather all the information and paper work required. After which it's just a matter of submitting the application and wait. And wait. And wait. Did I mention there was a lot of waiting involved?

We are still waiting for the results of our application. Minutes seems like hours. Days feels like weeks. We'll blog again once we have our application results. :)


Mr Fatty & Ms Shortie


28 comments:

  1. Hi there, do conitnue posting entries.
    Really interested in reading more (:
    My partner and I are also thinking of making a move to NZ. But still not really sure how to go about.

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    1. Hi Twinkle Toes, check out ENZ Forum. There's lots of info there and also if you are in SG, go sign up for one of the Immagine NZ seminar. It'll give you a good idea of what are some of the options plus the seminar is free! :)

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    2. Hi there, have you finally succeeded in living at new zealand?

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  2. Hi there,

    I found your post by chance when I was researching on New Zealand. I am a follower of your post. Do continue writing and tell us about your experiences in New Zealand.

    I will be making the move to NZ myself in the next couple of years. I will probably move to Auckland as it is the city with the less earthquakes.

    Cheers,

    Shawn

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  3. Hi hi..
    We've attended the seminar and are wondering whether its worth it to pay for the consultation ($200 now) or even the fees for the immigration process. Appreciate your advice. Pls email me at yati.amin@gmail.com

    Thanks!

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    1. Yup... I definitely would recommend paying the $200 for the following reason:

      1)The immigration paper work is a complex beast. Despite me doing hours of research and scrutinizing every EOI criterial, I still managed to interpret some parts wrongly. The wordings are deceptively simple, but there are some subtle complexity especially for the "skilled migrant category".

      2) $200 in the grand scheme of things is considered negligible. The overall migration process is going to cost you thousands of dollars (regardless of whether you signup for Immagine New Zealand). In my opinion trying to save $200 is going to be penny-wise-and-pound-foolish.

      My tips on how to get the most bang out of your $200:
      -Do your research. Thoroughly. Before.The.Session.
      -Read as much as you can from ENZ forum
      -Arrange for the consultation to be with Iain MacLeod. Iain explanation is clear. His accent is easy to grasp. He's friendly. He's the Director of his firm, so he must know what's he talking about right?
      -Prepare a set of questions to ask him. The answers to most of your doubts/questions can actually be found online. But every individual case is unique, so there are definitely some questions you won't be able to get a direct answer to online. This is the chance to ask him. This is really what you are paying $200 for.

      These are just my personal opinion ;)

      Fatty

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    2. Hi..chance upon ur blog as well..kinda interesting reading it..any update or follow up for this?i would like to know more of the procedure please..from the beginning..kinda lost to make even the 1st move..pls email me at:mardianabennington@gmail.com

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    3. Hi..chance upon ur blog as well..kinda interesting reading it..any update or follow up for this?i would like to know more of the procedure please..from the beginning..kinda lost to make even the 1st move..pls email me at:mardianabennington@gmail.com

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    4. Hi..chance upon ur blog as well..kinda interesting reading it..any update or follow up for this?i would like to know more of the procedure please..from the beginning..kinda lost to make even the 1st move..pls email me at:mardianabennington@gmail.com

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  4. thanks for your blog :)

    I was searching online on how to get started for Singaporeans to apply for a work visa, and will heed your recommendation on registering for the free seminar with IMMagine NZ (the host happens to be in SG for the seminar this Sat).

    May I ask, from your experience, is it generally tough to find a job in NZ for Singaporeans?

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    1. Your experience is probably going to vary depending on your industry as well as your expectations. We know of people who took slightly more than half a year. We were quite lucky to get employed within 1 month of serious job hutting.

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  5. Hi there,

    Glad to found your blog! I was in NZ in 2012 - 2013 under the WHV, and ever since really liked NZ. Certainly, hope to migrate to NZ.

    Really lucky for your guys to secure a job within a month! Is it because you have specialised skills? Where are the roles available / or in shortage in NZ?

    Hope you can share some pointers on how get through the immigration and securing the visa. Likewise, tried to find information online and most are catered for Brits.

    Besides, I am like migrating alone. So, its a big step!

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  6. It is a BIG step indeed! and expensive...and time consuming... and nerve wrecking ! So don't do it!

    Just kidding. The rewards are great (at least in our humble opinion). Clear air. Friendly people. The scenery.. oh my..don't even get me started.

    With regards to your question on the skill shortage in NZ. Long winded version:
    http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/work/skilledmigrant/LinkAdministration/ToolboxLinks/essentialskills.htm?level=1
    Short Version:
    -Engineering
    -Construction
    -IT
    -Doctor, nursing.. plus lots more.. maybe you should refer to the long winded version instead.

    Some places to get you started:
    -http://www.immigration.co.nz/ conducts free sessions regularly in Singapore. Check that out.
    - Enz.org is indispensable. Especially the forum.
    - Check out INZ Skilled Migrant Category. That's the one we applied for.

    Good luck!

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  7. I have been harbouring the thought of migrating to Australia since the 1990s...but didn't have the courage to take the leap. However, when my twin boys landed on my lap last year, I found that I am willing and want to take the leap over the fence. This time, I want to go to New Zealand.

    I have read the NZ forum, signed up in NZnow and even submitted CV to job sites and companies in NZ. I am now stuck with waiting and waiting for jobs and not knowing what can I do next.

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  8. Hi there, did you obtain 140 points or more before you secure a job offer?

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  9. Migrating to a country is a big decision, and a thing not to be taken lightly. Especially a country like new zealand where there are numerous opportunities in almost all of its states.

    Canada Points System

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  11. How did you manage to find a job while your in SG? Any particular search engine was used?

    How's the cost of living so far and how did you hunt for housing?

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  12. Hi there

    Nice to read this because we are also doing what you did.

    We did alot of research and decided to find jobs from Singapore first. Hubby is under skilled immigrant and me hospitality and trying to get connected via some companies and clients I dealt with in NZ.

    We are not giving up hope and still trying. We have also seek advice from immigration agency called newzealandshore.com but try not to commit first and want to do ourselves.

    So, have you gotten your work visa and process the pr? Hope you can share your experiences on the visa.

    Norul fellow singaporeans

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  13. Hi there

    Nice to read this because we are also doing what you did.

    We did alot of research and decided to find jobs from Singapore first. Hubby is under skilled immigrant and me hospitality and trying to get connected via some companies and clients I dealt with in NZ.

    We are not giving up hope and still trying. We have also seek advice from immigration agency called newzealandshore.com but try not to commit first and want to do ourselves.

    So, have you gotten your work visa and process the pr? Hope you can share your experiences on the visa.

    Norul fellow singaporeans

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  14. Any more updates? Hows life over there? Are you enjoying yourself ?

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  15. Hi Fatty and Shortie, great blog!!!! Immagine is having there seminar this month and looking forward for NZ ideas :)
    Consultation has forked out to 215....It is expensive but we'll try our best. Btw, where would you suggest for a great location best for family to start with :)
    thanks and best regards :)

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  17. Hi, thanks for writing.. I'm a Singaporean looking to migrate to NZ with my husband as well. Signed up for Immagine NZ seminar. I've heard of people who have applied for NZ PR and not live/work there but were there to clock time? Is it even possible? Also want to ask, I don't know where to start besides signing up for the seminar. Should we now start sending our CVs out to NZ companies? Thanks in advance!

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  18. Hi.. How is everything? We are moving to NZ. not thru any seminar. just DIY. looking for recommendations with relocation companies. Do continue with your blog. Have fun

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  19. Hi, can I seek your advice ? For me, even though I have a degree from NUS, I still can't achieve over 100 points (without a job offer). And then I can't find a company that is willing to offer a job when I don't have a visa. Seems like I'm stuck in this chicken and egg thingy. I'm seeking advice on how I can get out of this situation...

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  21. A singaporean who moved to auckland for 2years and now back in SG. looking forward to see your uodate adventures in NZ :)

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